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by Alistair Harley at 2008-10-27 21:48:59 (Forum::Public::Wind)
Does anyone have experience of these turbines or any knowledge? They are cheaper than UK or European ones.......much cheaper. I have been quoted 25000 for an Iskra 5kw turbine which is mindblowing

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euroclimatecentre.com Alistair Harley - 2008-10-27 21:48:59
Re: euroclimatecentre.com Paul Turner - 2008-10-28 09:27:15
25k for a 5kW turbine is pathetic. Have you considered a Fortis Montana? These can be fully installed on a free standing 12m tower for less than 16k minus the LCBP grant (2.5k), this includes an SMA windy boy inverter which makes for a very reliable, high quality system.
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Paul at Carbon Free Energy
Re: euroclimatecentre.com Bryan Rendall - 2008-10-28 14:11:00
As I was writing in another thread, don't forgot that there are 2 sides to the financial equation! Plenty of people have bought low cost turbines and regretted it, either in terms of short lifespan or low performance. Look carefully at the actual performance of the turbines you are considering - The performance (kWh) figures on this site are a good start.

Don't forget to also look carefully at the actual power curves - Some turbine might claim to be XkW in rating, but only do that at 15-20 m/s, and then rapidly tail off afterwards due to their furling mechanisms.

And also bear in mind some of the other pitfalls cheap turbines fall into - Some of them need to be continuously loaded to keep the speed down because they do not have an inherent mechanical speed control system (you get what you pay for!). Plenty of people have regretted that! We heard of someone here in Orkney who did a DIY install of a cheap turbine that depended on a dump load to keep the speed down. In a breeze of wind last November, it burnt out its dump load, and went supersonic. Nobody would go near it to try and stop it for fear of their lives, and it eventually threw some blades off, then as it became unbalanced, it snapped off the top of the pole and bounced off his roof, seriously damaging it in the process!

Some turbines are more expensive because they are more highly engineered, and that yields returns in higher production and better reliability. The old adage, you get what you pay for!

Cheers

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Bryan Rendall

Re: euroclimatecentre.com Paul Turner - 2008-10-28 14:43:22
I agree completely with you Brian. I for one am very sceptical of the very cheap Chinese systems having heard numerous horror stories. However I guess I'd be wrong to tar every system with the same brush.
The Dutch manufactured Fortis Montana I have here on the farm has been developed for 20 years and with over 6000 units in operation It's very well tried and tested. An expected life of 20+ years, maintenance free design and near silent operation make it an easy system to live with too.
Although not cheap the Montana does offer good value when you consider it's quality and although It's furling system does pull it out of the stronger gusts (which Is a little annoying) It's better to be safe than sorry in the long term.
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Paul at Carbon Free Energy
Re: euroclimatecentre.com Colin - 2008-10-28 15:11:51
Does the alternative mast cost include a foundation solution - i.e. some sort of kit to tie it into the concrete base. For a turbine that size there's 800+ of concrete alone in the foundation + reinforcement, tie bars etc. The Iskra price will undoubtedly include a tower foundation kit (i.e. all the metal work to tie the tower to the concrete base).
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Quisling
Re: euroclimatecentre.com Paul Turner - 2008-10-28 15:39:06
The Kit includes an anchor assembly which is essentially 20 J bolts and a pair of rings to position the bolts. This is securely positioned in the hole with two layers of steel reinforcement and a few meters of rebar which would only cost around 50 to 80. Six and a half cubic meters of C35 (high strength) grade concrete is then used which costs about 650.

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Paul at Carbon Free Energy

Re: euroclimatecentre.com Alistair Harley - 2008-10-28 17:27:16
The alternative mast wont include those other parts, but I estimate its still more than 50% of the cost of the Proven mast and the quality will be as good or better and made in the UK by a company with a high reputation
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alistair
Re: euroclimatecentre.com pkmwgs - 2008-10-28 21:17:31

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Patrick
Hi brian,
Have you experienced any blade imbalance on many turbines. ex water getting in to a blade or weight problems. how have you overcome any of these problems. have you ever experimented by pulling back blades to change angle of attack to increase power output.
thanks p.
Re: euroclimatecentre.com brianharrison - 2008-11-03 19:03:41
Dont be fooled by greedy sellers, EUROCLIMATECENTRE offer a fantastic service, have a look and you will save lots, quality and serice was great, just had my 5Kw unit delivered....very very good and saved lots.

Definately the best service I have received, good luck, it up its running and I am very happy.
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brianharrison

Re: euroclimatecentre.com Tony Smith - 2008-11-04 08:24:48
I just looked at the specifications of the 5KW model. Only 3m blade diameter which is smaller than the Proven 2.5kW, and the mast is only 8m high.
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aesmith
Re: euroclimatecentre.com Alistair Harley - 2008-11-04 08:45:00
Euroclimate will supply any height of mast I want, probably at an extra cost.....but not an extortionate cost. UK suppliers seem to be holding buyer to ransome.......some of the costs for surveying, planning forms and installation are huge. We all need to make a profit.....I am also in business.........the thinking behind those high fees and costs has the effect of regulating sales downwards and not to help generate higher sales by more competitive pricing
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alistair
Re: euroclimatecentre.com Paul Turner - 2008-11-04 09:03:55
3m diameter on a 5kW machine. That surely has to be a misprint????

I'd like to some genuine specifications of the entire system including control system, inverters, generator, etc. Also have these been tested properly and are there any genuine performance stats? If Brian would be kind enough to let me take a look at his turbine in action that would be great, even some pictures would be helpful.

As an installer and in a former life a mechanical engineer I'd love to find a cheaper turbine that I genuinely believe in. When it's blowing a gale I'd never sleep at night if I didn't trust the systems I install!
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Paul at Carbon Free Energy

Re: euroclimatecentre.com brianharrison - 2008-11-06 09:20:05
Masts can be made at whatever height you require, I had a 15Mtre mast made, the mast is 12m standard not 8 metre and the blades are 5 metre not 3, you may have looked at the wrong model Tony, I have the JS Range, performs very well.
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brianharrison
Re: euroclimatecentre.com Tony Smith - 2008-11-07 19:12:26
That's correct, it was the GT range I was looking at, which has a 3m diameter and 8m tower as described on the web site. Its funny that they make two different ranges but don't provide any guidance as to why one would choose one or the other. I asked them for some more information on that, but they just said to look on the web site.

I guess I find them hard to take seriously, such a faceless outfit with no proper technical info on the products.

Yours is running OK though? Why not spread the word by putting your production figures up on the site here?
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aesmith

Re: euroclimatecentre.com brianharrison - 2008-11-03 19:00:42
Only one Company to look at is www.euroclimatecentre.com

They have the best prices in Europe EUROCLIMATE CENTRE , just had mine delivered and it is fantastic quality and price, they make a small percentage and are not greedy unlike other sellers, definately worth a look if you sre seriously wanting a Turbine, you wont find better.
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brianharrison

Re: euroclimatecentre.com brianharrison - 2008-11-03 18:57:15
I have used this Company and just had my goods delivered I ordered a 5Kw wind turbine complete, got to say the system is fantastic ! and the saving was massive.

On time and excellent quality, I also looked at the proven and iskra, this unit is as good, the engineering quality is very good (I have been a mechanic engineer for 25 years now) so have confidence, I was made aware that most companies overcharge and they showed me companies selling the same equipment for 6 times more!! so I am very happy and can advise anybody to seriously look at these units you wont be dissapointed, price and quality is excellent. Good Look
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brianharrison

Re: euroclimatecentre.com Alistair Harley - 2008-11-04 06:56:52
Hello Brian.........can I speak with you on the phone? my email address is alistair@alistairharley.com and phone is 01424 830542
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alistair
ALL USERS PLEASE READ Website Administrator - 2008-11-04 09:17:17
Dear All,

I caution you against taking "Brian Harrison"'s advice at face value.

Recently another "Brian" (Wells, not Harrison) registered on this site with an identical email address and started 'pumping' euroclimatecenter by posting multiple supportive comments in this forum.

I suspended the first of these accounts (brianwells) and removed those comments.

Given that this second account (brianharrison) has just registered and begun acting in the same way with:

a) An idential email address
b) A different surname

... leads me to be suspicious of the veracity and impartiality of the claims being made.

For now I will leave the 'brianharrison' account in place, but will be keeping a close eye on it.

Just a word to the wise.

Regards
Simon
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Re: ALL USERS PLEASE READ muymalestado - 2008-11-04 10:42:22
Thanks Simon
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muymalestado
Re: ALL USERS PLEASE READ Alistair Harley - 2008-11-04 13:18:49
Thanks very much for that. Anyone should be able to use this site whether they have a vested interest or not. There are some who are up front with showing this and they should be commended.
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alistair
Re: ALL USERS PLEASE READ Tony Smith - 2008-11-05 18:43:19
A new user joins a forum and posts exclusively to promote a product or supplier - often you'll find a vested interest. Not always.

As for Euroclimate Centre, they don't publish any proper company details (isn't that a legal requirement?) and only a non-geographic phone number.
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aesmith

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